The London bombing in the night of Saturday to Sunday 4 June left seven dead and at least 48 injured in London Bridge and Borough Market. For Denis MacShane, a former Labor MP and a former European affairs minister under Tony Blair, the Internet giants such as Google and Facebook must be attacked to fight terrorism.
Three attacks in Britain in a few weeks, how to explain this acceleration of horror?
Reply: it seems to be going on. One wonders whether, like France and all the European countries, we have a few jihadists who went to Iraq and Syria to fight with Daech and who were sent to perpetrate these crimes. One wonders if there are connections. Otherwise, they are radicalized through Google, Facebook, the Internet, and sites that encourage to kill themselves, especially killing young women, in popular places like the Bataclan or the concert in Manchester.
Twelve people have so far been arrested in connection with the investigation. Networks exist around these people, is England more porous to the penetration of these networks?
No more than France. We think of the Bataclan, the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, Toulouse, Charlie Hebdo, Brussels, Stockholm, Berlin. It is a very strong ideological force that is able to convert people and make them become terrorists. So we need a lot more information. The subject, which is now being addressed by the Prime Minister, is to explain why the monopolies of Internet giants, Google, Facebook, and the rest, let these people communicate in secret by protecting their identity, All the arguments that push some to commit terrorist acts? That's a good question for President Trump, it seems to me.
Will terrorism play on the elections next week? Is this a strong theme of the campaign in Britain?
Not at all. It must be emphasized that there is a kind of national unity on all the issues of terrorism that strike Great Britain. Brits had bombs, Irish nationalist terrorist acts, throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Total: 3,600 dead. It never became a political issue during the elections. After that, yes, there are debates: Why do not we put more pressure on Saudi Arabia to shut down the finance tap? Why do not we do more foreign policy so as not to have these places of permanent struggles in Libya, Syria and Iraq? However, these debates do not take place during the elections. I do not think it will influence the decision of the people on Thursday.
We know that the alert had been lowered after Manchester. Is the government's security policy in jeopardy?
Yes and no. Brits are investing enormously, it is true that Mrs. May has reduced the police force by 7,000. Brits have a huge problem in prisons. They are stuffed with people who are not guilty of violent crimes, but they are places of radicalization. There is also a question of the whole community that is sometimes tempted by anti-Israel rhetoric, anti-Jewish, anti-women, anti-American. They think that putting up a bomb, killing someone, like the Irish 30 years ago, is justified from an ideological point of view. Converting an entire country to remove such pressures is quite difficult. Difficult at home, at home, in any European country.
Three attacks in Britain in a few weeks, how to explain this acceleration of horror?
Reply: it seems to be going on. One wonders whether, like France and all the European countries, we have a few jihadists who went to Iraq and Syria to fight with Daech and who were sent to perpetrate these crimes. One wonders if there are connections. Otherwise, they are radicalized through Google, Facebook, the Internet, and sites that encourage to kill themselves, especially killing young women, in popular places like the Bataclan or the concert in Manchester.
Twelve people have so far been arrested in connection with the investigation. Networks exist around these people, is England more porous to the penetration of these networks?
No more than France. We think of the Bataclan, the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, Toulouse, Charlie Hebdo, Brussels, Stockholm, Berlin. It is a very strong ideological force that is able to convert people and make them become terrorists. So we need a lot more information. The subject, which is now being addressed by the Prime Minister, is to explain why the monopolies of Internet giants, Google, Facebook, and the rest, let these people communicate in secret by protecting their identity, All the arguments that push some to commit terrorist acts? That's a good question for President Trump, it seems to me.
Will terrorism play on the elections next week? Is this a strong theme of the campaign in Britain?
Not at all. It must be emphasized that there is a kind of national unity on all the issues of terrorism that strike Great Britain. Brits had bombs, Irish nationalist terrorist acts, throughout the 1970s and 1980s. Total: 3,600 dead. It never became a political issue during the elections. After that, yes, there are debates: Why do not we put more pressure on Saudi Arabia to shut down the finance tap? Why do not we do more foreign policy so as not to have these places of permanent struggles in Libya, Syria and Iraq? However, these debates do not take place during the elections. I do not think it will influence the decision of the people on Thursday.
We know that the alert had been lowered after Manchester. Is the government's security policy in jeopardy?
Yes and no. Brits are investing enormously, it is true that Mrs. May has reduced the police force by 7,000. Brits have a huge problem in prisons. They are stuffed with people who are not guilty of violent crimes, but they are places of radicalization. There is also a question of the whole community that is sometimes tempted by anti-Israel rhetoric, anti-Jewish, anti-women, anti-American. They think that putting up a bomb, killing someone, like the Irish 30 years ago, is justified from an ideological point of view. Converting an entire country to remove such pressures is quite difficult. Difficult at home, at home, in any European country.
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